It's Official The Iphone Is A Dud!!!

[braj]

Originally Posted by ronbo2000

Are you sure this is not a case of iPhone envy? Despite of its shortcoming, it will still sell. Lots of Apple fans out there.
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I think 150,000 opening is huge, whether it met Apple's predictions or not.

[cadman]

Originally Posted by taylorh

I'm glad. I really dislike Verizon in a lot of ways. Just one of many examples is forcing you to sign a new contract if you merely change your rate plan. There's no justification for that.

Doesn't ATT do this as well now?

[KStewart]

Originally Posted by cadman

They wanted verizon and verizon said no. That is why they went with ATT

Verizon would not give them complete attorney over the device.

[KStewart]

Originally Posted by taylorh

I'm glad. I really dislike Verizon in a lot of ways. Just one of many examples is forcing you to sign a new contract if you merely change your rate plan. There's no justification for that.

Sprint does the same.

[KStewart]

Originally Posted by cadman

Doesn't ATT do this as well now?

All carriers do it except Alltel.

[Freak4Dell]

The iPhone isn't a dud, although I'm glad to see that users are being smart for the most part and not jumping over cliffs to get this POS.

davidg4781, the article said Apple expected sales of 500,000. I'm pretty sure the analyst is not just switching back and forth between definitions of sales. Apple probably expected 500,000 activations, not just sales.

[taylorh]

Originally Posted by cadman

Doesn't ATT do this as well now?

If you change plans from say family to single, or standard to universal, then yes. But if you just change your rate within a plan (move up or down rates/buckets) then absolutely not. Then again maybe Verizon allows this also but I had heard differently along with things like if you cancel you data plan, you can't re-subscribe to one until the next billing period.
Ironically AT&T mandated a 2 year contract with the iPhone which is one of those very things I'm essentially bashing Verizon for. However $20 data plan was a nice surprise. It's one reason I didn't even consider the iphone. Forced contract with no subsidy, no-return policy after 15 days, no FAN discounts on the plan. So AT&T isn't exactly better necessarily.
I've had both and I honestly say although there is not as wide of a coverage area, I like AT&T a lot more. But each person has their own preference. Like I like Sirius but really don't like XM's programing while others are reverse.

If the iPhone had come out on Verizon, though, it would most likely be 3G I believe. So being (stuck) with AT&T could have a lot to do with why it's on 2(.5)G data.

[marcol]

Originally Posted by ronbo2000

Are you sure this is not a case of iPhone envy? Despite of its shortcoming, it will still sell. Lots of Apple fans out there.
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Interesting that you moved it here rather than to the dedicated iPhone forum at Phone Different.

I actually posted the same news at PD a couple of hours before the first post in this thread, but I guess it went pretty much unnoticed

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by taylorh

And if the profits "soaring" is any indication, whatever happened post the initial 2 days must have been good.

Well, that Engadget interpretation of stocks is interesting.

At least one commenter disagreed saying:

AT&T profits were not up largely on iPhones sales. It was earnings related to the Bell South acquisition that caused profits to ride high.

Now I don't pretend to know enough about the matter to pass judgment, but it seems like there are either alternative explanations or correlating factors for the rise in stock price...

[taylorh]

When I read it carefully, it does say those great profits are based on the 176,000 activations or whatever. So it's not as if it reflects anything above and beyond the revelation of 176k acts. Therefore a moot point. The same information being both disappointing and positive at the same time.